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zachlloyd

Warp founder here. It's cool to see the community excitement here.

Note that we are going to add bring-your-own-model directly into Warp. Would love interested folks to weigh in on the discussion here: https://github.com/warpdotdev/warp/discussions/9619

touristtam

Long overdue - I was all in a few years ago with Warp, but after the last couple of years of not addressing this need, I have moved on from Warp. I now DO NOT see the need to embed AI into the terminal when you can have all sorts of TUI doing the same job.

james2doyle

Looks like there is a "neuter" fork out there: https://github.com/GarethCott/warp#whats-different-from-upst...

helloplanets

What about when SSHing to an external server, or working in a container?

SwellJoe

I wrote a little wrapper to start tmux with two panes open, one pane is an ssh connection to a host and one runs Claude Code, with an auto-generated CLAUDE.md telling Claude to use tmux commands to interact with the remote host (https://github.com/swelljoe/tandem). Agents can also use ssh, but I wanted an interactive way to poke around on a remote system and also be able to ask Claude to look at or do something on its own without copy/paste.

regularfry

Nanobot will happily ssh to a host and do things on it. I'm sure that's just a skill away for pi or opencode.

rutierut

This might have changed but Warp was not able to do this without “warpifying” the SSH host.

hrimfaxi

Hand your agent a tmux session.

giancarlostoro

I mean… Claude Code desktop will SSH into anything and start coding for ya. Which could sound horrifying but if you setup an isolated system for that specifically its not that horrifying.

mark_l_watson

Will this require a paid plan? That is, could Warp, when modified, work with a local model on Ollama, no charge?

semiinfinitely

what is the point of an "ai-terminal" when you can already just directly run ai in a normal terminal

your banner says:

> Bring any AI model into your terminal

its already there. there is no need for a special terminal to do this. in fact better to not have such a thing

crooked-v

Despite the newish "AI" branding for what I would presume is marketing buzz reasons, most of Warp is really centered around trying to make a terminal interface not anchored to legacy assumptions, like the blocks functionality (https://docs.warp.dev/terminal/blocks).

sudb

Makes plenty of sense to upstream this (possibly makes more more than forking, although I suppose it's one way of gauging interest and implementation complexity).

avaer

I don't use Warp, but it seems to me they did something cool (terminal app), pivoted that attention into a profitable AI play, but a lot of people just wanted the terminal app.

Now nobody knows what Warp is anymore, because they want to be an Agentic IDE and that's not what the users want.

Do I have that right?

I don't see what the point of this OpenWarp fork is though, other than adding more provider support. Couldn't that just be upstreamed?

quasigod

Yeah that's pretty much my opinion on warp. I really liked some of the ideas used for the actual terminal side of it. The IDE-like prompt and completions, file tree, vertical tabs, etc. I mostly just wanted a terminal that was trying something new UI/UX wise.

Nowadays it just tries to do so much and seems overwhelming. I'll probably still give it a try once it supports Nushell, but I'll need to spend some time disabling a ton of the extra features.

wccrawford

I really liked it, even though I didn't use any of the AI stuff. Then they just keep pushing the AI harder and harder, and I finally stopped and figured out how to configure the Win11 Terminal app "good enough" and dropped it.

It's not as good, but it's good enough.

artyom

Yeah, pretty much. I used it, but one day I opened Warp and it looked like a half-baked Cursor.

I liked it for the ability to type "git one-liner logs with date and author, no messages" and get the output without having to remember or look for actual formatting parameters.

I also get that's too niche of an use case, and not sustainable as a business. But still.

keroro

I have this functionality bound in alt-backslash using this - https://github.com/CGamesPlay/llm-cmd-comp

You write your prompt in any terminal, press alt-backslash and it'll give you a command which you can either refine or accept (or esc/ctrl-c out).

InsideOutSanta

FWIW, an open-source clone of that earlier version of Warp called Wave is out there. It seems to be actively maintained and works quite well, in my experience.

cpursley

Is it Rust or Node/Electron? That’s one of the key considerations I have these days; I’m over bloatware.

rane

Also, great example of why you don't take a terminal that requires login as your daily workhorse. It never ends well.

Cthulhu_

That was a mistake they made initially, but iirc they got rid of it after a while.

KetoManx64

If you block internet access to Warp, it refuses to start. That's all I need to know about it.

brisket_bronson

Warp is a terminal for people who don’t like the terminal.

bt1a

guessing it spits you out on Win11?

em-bee

can you please elaborate?

arrsingh

What was the terminal app though and what was special about it that Ghostty didn't already provide?

edit: Found this one article (via google) that talks about the terminal. I guess it was a terminal that you could "prompt" to do things and it would figure out the shell commands.

https://thenewstack.io/developer-review-of-warp-for-windows-...

Revanche1367

If I recall correctly, warp is older than ghostty. Warp became popular because it was one of the well maintained rust-based terminals, and it had some simple AI features like completions and natural language command recognition. That’s why I started using it at least and I liked the dark theme better than that of any other terminal. I barely used the AI features initially but my company pays for it if I want to use it so I started using it occasionally.

touristtam

Off the top of my head:

- The _block_ system where you could navigate up and down without scrolling the whole buffer rigidly - The tabbing system that actually works and doesn't feel clunky - The command prediction - The workflows (but that's now pretty much dead unless you really do not use AI)

richrichardsson

The other thing I really love is the cross-platform support.

I don't have to tweak my usage of the terminal depending which platform I'm on.

I just have to remember to use Ctrl+Shift for copy/paste on Windows/Linux.

victorbjorklund

Warp is older than ghostly and warp provides much more functions. Not only AI stuff but better editing of the shell (yea, I’m sure there is a way to get it in ghostty too), a built in run book where you can save commands (yes, you can say it should not live in the terminal)

Do you need all of them? Maybe not. Maybe. I used warp in the past (before AI) but now just Ghostty. But it required more customization to achieve just some of the stuff warp does.

satvikpendem

I much rather would use Warp now because I am looking for an agentic IDE, not looking to replace my terminal which I use daily. I don't want to use Cursor or VSCode because it's Electron and can be slow, while Warp has their own custom Rust-based GUI based off an early version of Zed's GPUI so it should similarly be much faster.

devmor

I really like Warp, because it looks and behaves the way I want a terminal emulator to. I disable all the AI features though because I don’t find them useful.

If this community fork were to, for example remove all of the AI features, it would be valuable to me.

throwaway613746

Why do you need to have a whole fork to remove them when there is a single AI killswitch option already?

mark_l_watson

A word of warning: I just installed OpenWarp from source, but it looks like it will not let me use my own provider without signing up for an $20/month account -- just like the original Warp

I very much wish the OpenWarp folks would have made this clear on their README.md file.

hbn

That pretend demo that's running commands near the top of the page is pretty annoying, it resizes itself as the text changes so even when I'm scrolled to the bottom of the page, everything keeps jumping up and down as the height of that element endlessly changes

crancher

Came here looking for someone mentioning this very issue. Did they not even view the model's output once? So strange.

timmg

Maybe it's just me, but I'd love a "ThinWarp" -- just the terminal with the great UI, etc.

I can run Claude Code there or whatever. But I personally don't need the AI in the terminal itself.

bluegatty

A terminal with AI focused on doing terminal-ish stuff is actually kind of useful.

I just never did enough of it to keep going.

If they expanded this to be highly optimized for devops aka really well attuned to AWS CLI all the various linux commands, bash scripting and just had all of that baked right in - and - was super fact and didn't have to think to much - I can see that.

The reason being, your doing 'specific tasks at a meta level' - not designing complex things, or doing research.

More like Claude Code but not for code, for DevOps and or that kind of things.

I think 'Meta Prompting' should be a thing for many disciplines.

That said, the 'bitter pill' lesson is that the Tier 1 models just really get good at everything and often supersede custom solutions - which was the case for myself and Warp, I just 'did stuff in Claude' and it was good enough.

james2doyle

There seems to be a "neuter" fork out there that disables a bunch of stuff: https://github.com/GarethCott/warp#whats-different-from-upst...

phillipcarter

Claude Code is very capable of making a terminal emulator with exactly (and only) the features you want. I did that for myself and it's now my daily driver. Has a few goodies I care about but nothing much else, and I have no intention of adding features for other people: https://github.com/cartermp/term

Scarbutt

A personal Mac terminal emulator built for terminal-based AI work.

How exactly does it help with "terminal-based AI work"?

DrammBA

You're right to push back. It doesn't — he made it up.

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phillipcarter

...because it's a terminal emulator? I use it to run Claude Code?

zachlloyd

We have a way of turning off all the AI if you don't like it (Settings > AI > turn it off). I get the desire here.

gregpr07

Why not just use ghostty at that point?

taosx

I feel this is the wrong way to go about things and I agree that it rude. Why not start by engaging with the warp project and see if some of this work could be upstreamed and if you like warp, target longevity?

KetoManx64

You can feel however you want about it, but forking and creating your own version of things with added/removed features is the heart of what open source is.

dh1011

My problem with Warp is that I have to create an account to use my local llm

ramon156

This project is no different

joshuastuden

How do you know they didn't?

daemin

I've looked at Warp before and seen that it has some potentially useful features for a command line terminal program, like having each command be its own little history window which you can scroll independently and collapse. (I might have imagined/inferred those from the screenshots of it working though). So an alternative implementation does sound interesting, but I would want it just to be a terminal, not with any AI or agent stuff in it.

So alas this doesn't appear to be it.

alexjurkiewicz

There can be problems with open source projects run by for-profit companies, but this fork seems a little premature.

devolt

For everyone who is thinking this is too much for a terminal, there's a lightweight solution based on your existing terminal (iTerm2 in my case), which adds auto correction and natural language execution into your tool: https://github.com/allaud/fix

Thev00d00

Ive noticed every vibecoded website looks the same, or similar to this one.

Why is it? Does this style have a name?

cesarvarela

It is mostly Vercel's design language.

SwellJoe

"OpenWarp is a community fork of Warp's open-source code. It is not affiliated with Warp Inc. and follows the upstream AGPL / MIT dual license."

It is rude, and possibly a trademark violation, to fork a project and use the same name. And, how can there be a "community fork" when there is no community? It's just been Open Sourced 24 hours ago.

Hasnep

I agree on the name, but to me the word community here is used to mean it's not run by a company.

SwellJoe

Historically, it means a community of developers have decided to break with the old project for some reason. Jenkins is a community fork. Mariadb is a community fork. Joomla is a community fork. Illumos was a community fork. Rocky Linux is a community fork. Valkey is a community fork.

This is a personal project by someone with no connection to the project or its code. It is misleading to claim to represent the Warp "community". Maybe there will be a community around Warp someday, and maybe there will be a reason for community members to fork it, but for now, it is a newly open sourced project, and this is a person trying to build their own reputation on someone else's work.

Forks are a good and natural part of the Open Source and Free Software world. But, a good fork doesn't look anything like this. It involves stakeholders, it respects the work others have put into the project in the past, and it doesn't confuse users with a misleadingly similar name.

At the very least, you change the name when you fork something, if you have any decency or respect for Open Source and its historical mores. I wouldn't have said a word about it, if they'd changed the name, I would have ignored it (as I assume most people would have, if it didn't share a name with something people are already talking about). But, since they're coming out of the gate being an entitled jerk about software that folks have chosen to Open Source, I'm inclined to point out that they're not behaving ethically on multiple fronts.

hbn

> Historically, it means a community of developers have decided to break with the old project for some reason.

That seems more like it should be called an "alumni fork"

"Community" makes more sense for people who aren't necessarily affiliated with the official project but were in the community that spawned around it.

skrtskrt

Rocky Linux was a corporate fork with numerous dubious ethical decisions early on

jauntywundrkind

It's ok to start new things with aspirations. Spare us such melodrama, such pedantry.

throwaway613746

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blitzar

I would like to introduce my new venture, OpenOpenAi.

bestouff

Warp is already an Alacritty fork with no acknowledgement. I feel they deserve no respect for this.

see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47939527

SwellJoe

I don't know anything about that (I didn't know what Warp was until yesterday, still kinda don't know, as it seems to be a terminal plus AI and I don't know what that actually means). But, alacritty's license seems to allow proprietary forks.

The license requires copyright notice to follow the code and that seems to be present: https://github.com/warpdotdev/warp/blob/6d7a01cc9727472a1bcb...

I dunno if they adhered to the license previous to open sourcing, though, as you have to include it somewhere in the actual binary distribution, as well, and some folks don't do that. And, that's also shitty and unethical.

scosman

But calling it OpenAlacritty would be worse, which is what happened here.

ElijahLynn

Agreed. They should not be using the name Warp inside of the fork.

iamveen

Domain Squatting 2.0

nothinkjustai

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Hasnep

You probably can't name a project OpenWarp for the same reason you can't name a search engine OpenGoogle, even though it's a different name to the original. In this case, it's particularly confusing because the original warp project _is_ now open source.

wolfi1

I do have to admit, when I saw Warp I thought of OS/2, a long forgotten Win32-compatible OS by IBM, btw, does anyone know if IBM trademarked Warp?

kreelman

I used Warp a bit on Windows. It looked promising, but didn't work quite as well as I would have liked. It's great that it's been open sourced.

Does anyone keep a DB somewhere of open source project names?

I think it would be better to give the code fork a different name.... And maybe move it off Github!!

BeetleB

You can't name something OpenGoogle, because the Google name is trademarked.

Is Warp trademarked?

simplify

Definitely rude, too close to the same name. Warp just recently open sourced their client, a [not community] personal fork should be more considerate.

victorbjorklund

Try do create a game called ”Open Pokémon Go” and see if it works or not.

adamhartenz

It is not the "open" version of Warp. Warp is already open. So the name is rude.

jrm4

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selcuka

This is about the name, not the source.

Also calling a fork "Open" is disingenious. They wouldn't be able to fork it if the original wasn't "open".

skeledrew

> even if this isn't 'free' licensed

What part of it isn't "free"?

BeetleB

Definitely disagree about rudeness.

Only a trademark violation if a trademark has been registered. IANAL.

SwellJoe

One can claim a trademark without registering it (the difference between ™ and ®). But, if one wanted to sue, you'd probably register it first. But, a claimed trademark that is suitably unique for your product is defensible if you can prove consistent usage pre-dating the new user of that mark.

I'd be pissed if someone took one of my open source projects, forked it, and also stole the name (and put "Open" in front, despite the fact that the thing they forked is Open Source), misleading users and diluting the brand with software I have no control over.

I don't even know what Warp is, but I'm mad as hell about it. As an Open Source developer of 30 years, I expect people to operate with something like honor and decency and respect for other people. Taking someone's open project and launching a competing fork with the same name is hugely disrespectful and dishonorable behavior.

selcuka

https://uspto.report/TM/90342558

> WARP® trademark registration is intended to cover the categories of [...] Downloadable computer terminal emulator program [...]

ai_slop_hater

How were they able to register it? So many other things are named Warp, for example Cloudflare Warp.

ButlerianJihad

Here are some links to the official website of the actual United States Patent and Trademark Office, commonly and distinctly abbreviated "USPTO", whose domain name is duly registered at uspto.gov

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/90342560

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/90342558

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/88455403

Search for "wordmark" "warp", filter for currently live and 009, shows 44 results.

A search for "openwarp" yields 0 results, none dead, none historical; nowhere in the system is this unique name registered.

A banner at top-of-page offers various pointers for consumers on how to discern official US Gov websites from imposters, domain squatters, and name-stealers

illiac786

Mixing etiquette and copyright.

It is not only rude but also misleading and frankly, stupid.

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