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eric-hu
I do now have memorized some mix of vim and vscode keybindings, but to me it's worth it. I'm not at 100% keyboard navigation because in some cases I've burned 5-10 minutes looking up a shortcut, repeatedly 1/mo for 3 months. After so many (overly) spaced repetitions, I recognize the shortcut isn't worth memorizing.
> Installing plugins is one good example of this, where even if you use a Vim plugin (or this, it seems), you still need to resolve to using the mouse/Tabbing to actually install the plugin itself.
I agree with you here, but I rarely need to install new plugins. It's certainly not a task I repeat for a given plugin. Plugins are actually the reason I do primary development in VSCode instead of Neovim natively. I can set up linters, language highlighters, etc in VSCode much faster than I can in Neovim. The ecosystem in VSCode also seems to be bigger for what I've done in the last few years.
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Anyways, here are some VS Code keybindings I've found essential to go hand-in-hand with vscode-neovim. These few probably get me to 90% keyboard navigation for day-to-day editing.
cmd-shift-m: toggle the bottom tray problems (works as a universal way to show/hide the bottom)
cmd-b: toggle the left sidebar (in whatever context it was last in)
cmd-shift-e: show the current file in the left sidebar
cmd-0: move context/focus to the left sidebar cmd-1: move context/focus to the editor cmd-2: move context/focus to the right editor (or open an editor split, if not yet split)
ctrl-1,...9: highlight Nth tab from the left ctrl-0: highlight rightmost tab
cmd-p: fuzzy find file cmd-shift-p: fuzzy find any installed action by description
FPGAhacker
Thank you for posting these!
eric-hu
My pleasure! This plugin is hands down my favorite VSCode plugin. I worked mostly in vim before, and this plugin made me comfortable doing project work in VSCode.
I'll keep an eye on this thread for a day or two and try to add more essential hotkeys if I think of them.
cagmz
cmd-p is an absolute must if you use this plugin. Thanks for sharing!
eric-hu
I’ll add onto this, cmd-shift-p is the reason to use VS Code over neovim/vim.
For every plug-in I’ve installed in vim, I used about 5% of their behavior. I’ve spent time looking through plug-in utilities and thought “oh that’s useful” and then forgotten about them by the next day. I’m aware that in vim, I can type :substring<tab> and get a list of commands. As far as I recall, I only get name matches. VSCode’s action search massively improves the user experience of this, allowing me to scan descriptions of plug-in commands.
Tyr42
I guess I am the target market. I don't mind using the mouse when I'm not in the "flow" of editing. Even browsing code, scroll wheels are pretty expressive, and clicking to jump to definition is fine. Ok not typing, so I don't need to keep my hand on the home row.
But the actual editing doesn't use the mouse.
eric-hu
If you have the proper jump to definition set up, vscode-neovim actually has a keybinding (that matches vim/neovim)
gd (go to definition)
You'll also like
gh (peek definition)
coldtea
>Installing plugins is one good example of this, where even if you use a Vim plugin (or this, it seems), you still need to resolve to using the mouse/Tabbing to actually install the plugin itself.
Sounds like a minor annoyance at best... Where vim-mode is important to me is editing and navigating code, not when installing plugins...
lanza
It's not just installing plugins. It's the VCS view, the symbol list, the terminal, the file browser, the search pane, the debugger pane, any pane added by any extension, etc.
tuukkah
> the terminal
Ctrl+`
capableweb
As I said, it's one example. Anything outside the code window suffers from the same problem, not just installing plugins...
DiggyJohnson
I didn’t expect to disagree with you at first because I also struggle with vim -Code plug-ins, but it really never occurred to me that it would cover the entire functionality of Vim outside the editor and file navigation.
rendall
Ctrl+shift+p puts the cursor in the command search where you can find all the commands including extension related commands. Ctrl+w j puts the cursor in the terminal.
VS code is entirely navigable with key strokes even with Vim emulator
capableweb
As mentioned, extensions is one example. How do you resize the sidebar? Or resizing the vertical size of the "Outline" pane?
To be honest, guess it was a long time ago I last used VS Code, but when I did, I ended up in situations where it wasn't suitable to use the keyboard too many times.
Lio
It's worth pointing out that while Vim/Neovim can be fully used without a mouse you can still use one if you want to.
That includes mouse wheel, clicking tabs, resizing windows, balloon help amongst others.
That works over SSH too.
nkit
VspaceCode might help you and others: https://vspacecode.github.io/.
It allows you to execute arbitrary VScode commands in fewer keystrokes using Emacs like menu (never used Emacs myself, so might be off a little). Along with default <space> key, I've also mapped ctrl+g as a global binding to trigger VspaceCode. So almost anywhere in the UI, I can always use keyboard to navigate.
EDIT: formatting
kamaal
>>While with Neo/Vim itself, you never need to reach for the mouse, because the entire thing, not just the editing/writing, is meant to facilitate keyboard-only usage.
Exactly, most python plugins like black, code formatters, auto complete etc don't even work with these plugins.
gabrielgio
That is the reason why I moved from eMacs to neovim. Emacs on itself is amazing piece of software, but I had to fight my way to setup vim binding on everything.
With neovim you just get that by default. Everything is thought around that.
ngai_aku
In what scenarios were you reaching for your mouse within emacs?
forgotpwd16
Seems like they meant using vim bindings everywhere requires much work to configure.
dbalatero
I don't use VSCode, but if you use this plugin or the other Vim plugin for VSCode, make sure to put it in its own thread so it doesn't compete with other blocking tasks and slow down your editor motions.
See "Affinity" docs here for putting it in its own thread: https://github.com/vscode-neovim/vscode-neovim#installation
satvikpendem
This must be a new option, hadn't seen it before. Thanks!
dbalatero
It's new within the last year for sure! It's also marked "experimental" and I think therefore not heavily advertised, but IMO it's also necessary for something like Vim motions that need to move at the speed with which you type…
asabla
Oh snap! Been more and more annoyed lately about just this. Thank you for sharing!
CalChris
I have used VSCode-Neovim on OSX since roughly NVIM v0.5. It is quite simply the best vim environment I've ever used and I've used quite a few. I date myself back to vim, back to vi and even to TECO. I pair this setup with the clangd LSP extension which makes it even more awesome. This is editor heaven.
However it isn't perfect, yet. Command mode is still a work in progress and I use command mode a lot. Navigation with the space bar screws up enough that I've switched to the arrow keys (which are smaller). A few others but I haven't checked to see if they're fixed already.
VSCode-Neovim is actively worked on and gets better with each release.
fire
My biggest complaint is probably that it doesn't support overlay or popup windows, which makes it impossible to use plugins like WhichKey[0] and such, which I like on normal neovim because I'm a scrub and don't know vim hotkeys by heart
krono
Whenever I didn't know how to do something or suspected there'd be a far more efficient way to go about it, I'd look up the magic words or keys to use and write them down.
Limiting this cheatsheet to just one side of an A4 sheet kept it usable and forced me to rewrite it every so often - every next iteration leaving off all the commands I had been checking back often enough for that they had finally stuck.
Completely unsolicited, but hopefully useful advise nevertheless :)
LinXitoW
The beauty of the whichkey/space menu is that you can both learn shortcuts AND find new ones (they're grouped by domain) AND find old shortcuts you rarely use.
It's the antidote to most sophisticated editors worst problem, that there's a bajillion commands scattered around a million menus, many of which are not even remotely intuitive.
fire
yep, that's why I want it
doomrobo
Would love to see if people have a good experience with this. The only thing keeping me on neovim is the ergonomics of my config. If I can have that, PLUS the discoverability of all the LSP features, hovering, consolidated error messages, etc. without it breaking all the time, I would switch in a heartbeat.
linsomniac
FYI: LunarVim is a neovim config that integrates all the LSP and treesitter stuff. I've been using it for around 6 months now and am loving it. However, I'll admit that I went into it looking for a vim config that would allow me to ditch the vi configs I had been carting around for decades, including a lot of half working plugins, so I've tried to modify the stock LunarVim configs as much as possible. So it'll depend on how much of the ergonomics of your config is based on customizations, YMMV.
thegeomaster
Have you tried coc.nvim? I was in the same boat as you, trying to painlessly move away to a different editor with Vim keybindings or such, because I just couldn't get LSP stuff to work without constantly breaking. Since I started using Coc, it all just works magically, I just need a `:CocInstall` if I'm working in a new language.
aidos
I would say that native LSP support in neovim has improved and stabilised a lot recently.
bradwood
This. I've been all over Coc since it showed up. It's pretty good. So much so that I've not yet even bothered to look at the native support that came later.
bobbylarrybobby
I find that on the whole it's much speedier, albeit a tad buggier, than the “official” vim extension. I think in another year it will be more or less perfect.
If you're talking about keeping your Neovim config: yes, due to the Neovim extension using the actual Neovim program (this was one of the new Neovim features: it includes a vim server that processes keystrokes and sends updates for use in a different UI). So it has no problem reading your vim config at startup.
aussiesnack
For unrelated reasons I've gone back to neovim. But I used this in vscode for about a year. It works well. I found it got stuck once a day or so and I had to restart vscode. That might have improved by now. Having your keybinding-related config spread out across so many different places (nvim's config, vscode's preferences and keybinding files) is a bit annoying, and I found after initial setup I kept forgetting what was where. And then whatever vi plugin you use, vscode is never going to be entirely consistent about keybindings outside of the main editing panes.
Those relatively minor annoyances aside, vscode-neovim is perfectly workable for daily use.
eric-hu
I know those times you're talking about when it gets stuck. Switching to another file and back seems to solve that issue for me, and is much faster than a restart.
Jenk
Been using it for a couple of years. No problems.
You don't get the "absolute fullest" (neo)vim experience because you don't get the buffers/panes like you do in nvim though.
eric-hu
I actually do use pane commands from time to time.
ctrl-w s : will split horizontally ctrl-w v : will split vertically
Commands work, and I just tested buffers specifically. I can type :buffers and I see a list. I was able to get vscode to switch tabs with :b 209 (I don't normally inspect buffers this way, but it's integrated and it works).
adriand
Do :sp and :vsp work?
Kwpolska
The discussion of Vim visual mode selections being separate from VSCode selections is concerning. What kind of selection is produced if you make a selection using the mouse? Are there any actions where you can end up with the wrong type of selection?
ilovecaching
You might be able to convince me that for certain languages and tasks, a Jetbrains editor is better than using a plugged up Vim or Emacs. And the up front cost is well known, and their corporate model is easy to understand.
You’ll never convince me, however, that Microsoft’s embrace, extend, extinguish partially proprietary editor that uses the same LSPs as any other LSP client should be used by anyone. I wouldn’t touch it with a 100 foot pole.
There are turn key solutions for both Emac, Vim, and Neovim. They can all talk to LSPs, have DAP clients, fuzzy finders, file tree explorers, project managers, remote editing (terminal editors are by nature the ultimate remote editors).
Why isn’t he world would you put neovim inside of VSCode when you could just use neovim directly via GUI or terminal.
satvikpendem
Don't, no one's forcing you, but many if not most people prefer VSCode over neo/vim, based on usage stats. For those of us that do, we like Vim's modal editing but not its setup process.
barefeg
I love neovim but I don’t have a good replacement for the git plugin of vscode. I haven’t found my way to replicating that experience in neovim. I tried lazygit but I find the diff viewer hard to understand and navigate. Diff view (https://github.com/sindrets/diffview.nvim) might be it, but I haven’t made the time to install a newer version of git from source (Debian…)
emerongi
Gitsigns was good enough for my workflows: https://github.com/lewis6991/gitsigns.nvim
Besides showing the git signs in the gutter, it can do staging, diffing, navigation between hunks, line blame, can show deleted lines etc. If you have more advanced workflows, it might not be enough though. I use lazygit quite often as well.
0x008
https://github.com/TimUntersberger/neogit & DiffView if I want everything inside neovim.
If I am just living in the terminal, I like to use a mix of https://github.com/extrawurst/gitui (doesn't support signed commits yet!) and https://github.com/Wilfred/difftastic which provides amazing semantic diffs.
aussiesnack
vim-fugitive is ergonomically great for routine stages and commits.
DiffView is good but there's no point denying GUI diff viewers are better than text ones, so I use one (meld or sublime-merge), which does mean launching a separate tool. That's fine for my limited uses (quick visual overviews, or fixing merge conflicts).
christophilus
I'm the same. For the most part, I use a nice terminal git diff (I forget which-- not in neovim), and I hop around in neovim based on what I see there. I do sometimes open Codium just to navigate a large diff, and it always makes me a little sad.
petepete
Similarly, I use diff-highlight 99% of the time because it works flawlessly with all of git diff's arguments (including --word-diff) but break out Meld for big content-heavy changes.
minusf
have you tried fugitive?
the vimcast videos about it can be life changing.
bradwood
Have you tried Fugitive?
rendall
Ok, I tried this out. Setup is a bit of a chore but not difficult, mostly making sure that the correct version of neovim (> 8) is installed. I have only one bit of feedback, but for some reason it's a deal-killer for me.
Vim is my go-to text editor and VS Code with vim emulation is my go-to IDE, so I was excited to try.
The vim emulator puts the `:` command in the status bar on the lower left, quite like vim itself does. Type `:w` and you see that in the status bar.
By contrast,the way that command `:` is handled in the embedded neovim extension is that a search window pops up at the top where the commands and files drop-downs are (same place that gets the cursor when hitting ctrl-p). This confused and dismayed me so much that I immediately noped out, disabled the extension and went back to using the emulator. It might also have been dismaying that `w` was not one of the listed commands, only `wq` which is not what I wanted. `w` did work, but I was done.
I probably could get used to it, but I'm inclined to jettison things that mess with what I'm used to unless there's a massive value-add. As for now, I pretty much only use vanilla vim and so the emulator is good enough. When I need more power, I open vim either in a separate terminal or sometimes right in the VS Code embedded terminal. I don't really have an intense need for real neovim in VS Code at this point.
Finally, I do want to give props to the creator! This is an amazing accomplishment, and I hope that my feedback is not discouraging! If there could be a setting to reflect the commands in the status bar as the vim emulator does, I will be eager to try it out again. But still, great job!
pacavaca
I remember trying neovim with Atom a while ago. At that time I realized that me using nvim it's not just about motions/plugins/no mouse, etc, but rather the whole terminal experience. For example, I rely heavily on tmux for splitting my screen whichever way suits the current task best and then, I may spontaneously open nvim in some of the splits or run other CLI tools. This experience is not the same with the CLI built into vscode or any other IDE.
pacomerh
To me the greatness of using something like neovim/vim is that you don't have to use the mouse. This I don't know what's good for...
stu2b50
The advantage of Vim is efficiency and speed. The disadvantage is that it has a longer learning curve.
For something like editing text, as a programmer you do this endlessly - it is absolutely worth it to be ruthlessly efficient at this, even if you have to pay effort learning it.
But for, say, installing a plugin in your text editor... that's something you do a handful of times a month. The mouse is much more adaptable and easy to use, even if you give up accuracy.
This way, you can be efficient at editing text without having to learn keybindings for a bunch of misc things that you do rarely.
mewse
> The advantage of Vim is efficiency and speed. The disadvantage is that it has a longer learning curve.
I'm not disagreeing with this comment all, just throwing my anecdata at the somewhat squishy "longer" word in that sentence.
For me, I went cold-turkey with vim (my employer wanted me coding on both Mac and Windows at more or less simultaneously; I figured it would be a useful investment of time to learn a single set of hotkeys that I could use on both systems and get into my muscle memory, rather than trying to keep Xcode hotkeys and Visual Studio hotkeys straight in my head)
I stopped using literally any other text editor or IDE either at work or at home, just to try to learn vim as fast as possible, and spent a bunch of recreational time playing VimGolf.
As I'd expected, it was catastrophic for my productivity initially, but I reached a basic proficiency within five days; I got back to my normal development cadence quickly enough that my lead didn't even notice I had taken time to teach myself to use a "difficult" text editor; I just had one week where I was slightly behind schedule, before catching back up and getting ahead during the following week, where my skills improved even further.
It definitely is a longer learning curve before you can say that you've "mastered" vim than most other editors. But you can reach a basic competence equivalent to other (non-emacs) text editors pretty quickly; it's just that there's still a lot more useful functionality you can learn after that point.
satvikpendem
Good for people who like the ergonomics of VSCode (one-click plugin installs, everything simply "just works" out of the box) with the ergonomics of Vim (modal editing, speed).
dbalatero
This. I'll go to VSCode from Neovim kicking and screaming, but frankly VSCode + a good Vim plugin is the pragmatic choice for most people out there looking for a Vim-like editor.
snarfy
I don't use this extension, but I have used the 'vscodevim' extension for many years now.
I forget all of the settings I changed to make it work for me, but it's mostly usable as a vim replacement now.
I needed to set 'use control keys' or something like that, so I can use Ctrl-[ instead of ESC to enter command mode, something I've done since Vim 2.0 days (and before that in Elvis).
I also override vim bindings for Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, (cut/copy/paste), Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-Y (undo/redo) so I can use vscode for that behavior instead. I'll also use the normal vim commands for those also (like yy, p, etc). Best of both worlds I suppose.
My only gripe with this approach is undo/redo stacks can sometimes get lost between vim and vscode handling it. There is a similar extension for Visual Studio which has never lost the undo/redo stack like the vscode extension does.
Is any of this any better with the newest vscode-neovim? I tried vscode-neovim a while back and had go back to vscodevim after having problems.
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Personally, my problem with trying to use Vim keybindings in VS Code is not about the motions of moving around/editing the code itself, but everything else. You end up in plenty of situations where you have to resolve using the mouse because you ended up on some sub-page or whatever, where you either need to resolve using the mouse or keep pressing Tab until you get to where you want to go.
Installing plugins is one good example of this, where even if you use a Vim plugin (or this, it seems), you still need to resolve to using the mouse/Tabbing to actually install the plugin itself.
While with Neo/Vim itself, you never need to reach for the mouse, because the entire thing, not just the editing/writing, is meant to facilitate keyboard-only usage.