This is what is happening with the Fediverse (sans the minimalism), only there is interoperability between all the small communities. I think it's the future, as long as it doesn't grow to fast.
One particular choice of Mastodon is that pretty much everything federates all the time. Some local instances try to create a sense of local community, but other than the local timeline page you might as well be anywhere.
Hometown is a fork of Mastodon that adds a "local only" post feature, posts that deliberately do not federate. I think it's an interesting experiment. https://github.com/hometown-fork/hometown
> One particular choice of Mastodon is that pretty much everything federates all the time. Some local instances try to create a sense of local community, but other than the local timeline page you might as well be anywhere.
In practice, this is the norm:
The latter doesn't even bother labeling the instances they don't like as "Hate Speech", apparently free speech is enough.
That's not a million miles away from how Second Life operated (and still does). Where the 'Land' & 'Estates' (and parcels within them) were servers. Each has their own limitations to how many user avatars they can support at one time.
People flock to places they identity with. Buy parcels. Build their own space and communities within communities.
As far as 'voting' and governance goes, I think there's room for development with blockchain login/identity/ownership and Decentralised Autonomous Organisations (DAOs) which support that.
> As far as 'voting' and governance goes, I think there's room for development with blockchain login/identity/ownership and Decentralised Autonomous Organisations (DAOs) which support that.
Immediately turning it into a community of crypto bros where the only subject is cryptocurrencies and derivations. A figurative and literal waste.
You can vote without Blockchain, somehow everyone forgot about that. In fact Blockchain and other "trustless" mechanisms are completely useless in a community where people know each other, since Sybil attacks require anonymity.
This is essentially what discord is. Most people find a group of under 100 people which is a more personal space to interact with.
Except that discord isn’t anything like that, having centralized control of all these groups on one platform with global rules enforced upon all of them (see the recent iOS NSFW ban)
I agree the technical foundations aren’t like that but the social structure is. The incredible ease of setting up a new server is a strict requirement for discord being successful. I don’t think we’re at a point where you can have people self host this stuff easily.
The average person realistically doesn't care. You can just use the desktop app and switch a toggle that turns off the nsfw ban which is what Apple requires for apps. Discord and similar IM apps have become small scale social hubs for the world.
I for one refuse to touch Discord.
Yeah it's mad how many FOSS projects use it for their comms. Like home assistant. Which was developed to keep your home automation away from the data mining cloud services. Yet to chat with them you have to use discord.
It's terrible considering there's so many good alternatives available that work great and offer the same user experience while respecting your privacy.
Discord even use this fact for advertising now :( https://discord.com/open-source
Unfortunately, it’s where the people are.
There’s some overlapping ideas with how groups on urbit operate. Though urbit goes further down the stack to replace the bits that make managing a Linux server hard (fixing the incentives that lead to everyone having to be on one centralized server in the first place).
I guess the server should enable instant messages between its users and only offer email communication with people outside
you do see a version of these dynamics in mmorpgs like eve online
SDF is tons of fun, and good people. I wish I had more time to experiment with the systems and build my own space there, but anyone interested in preservation of the Old Ways of the Internet should certainly spin up a free account and see what's what.
You dont need JS nor massive frameworks to build a static web site in order to publish stuff online. I reccomend learning vanillla HTML which is very simple if you compare with modern JS and CSS frameworks.
Hey sithlord! It's been a while, but fun to see your page. I'm here: https://tilde.town/~canadaduane
I love having a simple page somewhere, hosted within a community that might take a peek every once in a while. Feels like a lot less lonely of a vast Internet.
The .org link seems to be a rick-roll.
Many sites, including that .org link, have redirects for users coming from HN (because HN has a lot of trolls, though you may not see them unless you have showdead enabled)
I turn off referers in my browser. There is no reason to have it on, especially cross-origin. It's only good for tracking and not much else.
That's hilarious. No wonder /g/ ridicules the Tildeverse whenever it's brought up.
What is shodead? Cannot find any relevant info on them.
It takes 3 seconds to check and prove that you are wrong about this case.
This is crazy. What an absolute gem to discover all this.
It does seem like they read the emails. A reminder that the web can be social.
Reading the emails is not enough: they would need to send some secret to the email associated with the account to link the power to exhange keys to ownership of the account. Just reading a legit-sounding email and relying on from-address is 100% suspectible to abuse.
This is a operation for people to have little sandboxes for fun. Not only is the threat model signify lower than your average social network but the blast radius too.
It’s also worth noting that there’s a multitude of ways one could take over these machines if they were determined enough. The entire principle behind this is giving people shell access for giggles. So we aren’t exactly taking about VPSs for serious business here.
While security is always important for anything online, it’s also important that security is balanced against appropriateness. Here the point is a little slice of the old days even though that does invite some risk.
Usually your email doesn’t even make it into the spam folder but just gets straight rejected if the DKIM signature isn’t valid.
Unless the admin doesn’t know how to run an email server in 2022.
If the person can't read the email, then they can't read the key.
This is exactly how credential reset works on every system with registered backup email address, include Google.
The only risk is if they send the key to the wrong email address, such as From and Reply-To.
> If the person can't read the email, then they can't read the key.
You’re sending them your public key, not receiving a private key.
Ive made https://webide.se that gives you a Linux shell on a shared machine. I count on Linux to be secure by default. So users are free to do whatever they want except email spam, dos attacks, and crypto mining which is blocked by iptables. Im working on giving each user their own IP but for now incoming connections are proxied via http proxy and unix sockets and wildcard domain name so that foo.user.webide.se is proxied to /home/user/sock/foo
Similar services use Docker containers or VPS for user isolation.
I don't know about this site in particular but sometimes they're just writing application servers that utilize the ssh protocol.
This is one of those moments where "if you have to ask, you'll never know" is appropriate.
All of the above. Socialize with other members. Write CGI scripts to do interactive stuff. Ctrl-C Club keeps a list of neat things their members are doing here: https://ctrl-c.club/#frigginsweet
The fun of creating a website.
Play in the MUD