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14 hours ago by Lammy

>NOTORIOUS "HACKERS ON ESTRADIOL" PRESENT GRAND REVEAL

I love how this is a tongue-in-cheek reference to the "hackers on steroids" piece from 2007 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY

4 hours ago by Redoubts

Surprised there’s no ascii art of programmer socks.

3 hours ago by jtvjan

That's a 2016 meme. Much too recent.

3 hours ago by markenqualitaet

I mean technically correct. I think cortisol would have been funnier tho.

9 hours ago by undefined

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5 hours ago by EamonnMR

I love the old school memes (seven proxies, cowsay, nine thousand, the whole thing being a txt file.) Some early aughts charm right there.

5 hours ago by hwers

Tells you something about the age of the hackers probably (over 30)

3 hours ago by optimalsolver

The old boys ride again.

4 hours ago by 2OEH8eoCRo0

Herd u liek mudkipz.

3 hours ago by pnemonic

OMG I LOVE MUDKIPS (UNF UNF UNF)

9 hours ago by jungleanimal

Anonymous strikes again, this time with a well known web registration company with a decade of data. This is a blatant example how poor security management leads to the hardship of thousands if not millions of regular people. Now their private details have a risk of being public and fully open to scrutiny. And its not just some simple data breach they allegedly stole domain purchases and transfers, account credentials of pretty much all their clients. Unacceptable. Embarrassing. They should be held accountable for all this if it comes out to be true.

8 hours ago by qeternity

Epik’s lack of security is the least damning thing about Epik.

Google around for their very colorful history. These are bad hombres.

7 hours ago by capableweb

Could you share something damning instead of referring people to search, as we probably will find different information.

As far as I can tell, Epik focused on hosting and DNS management for marginalized/excluded groups on the internet, so naturally they attract a lot of groups. Not sure why that'd be bad though.

Things like this also makes me actually like the company more:

> Pharmaceutical watchdog website LegitScript reported in 2018 that they had alerted Epik to the sale of illegal drugs and counterfeit medications on websites registered by Epik, and that Epik had refused to act upon the information without a court order

That's exactly how I want my hosting company to act, and any that don't are actively fragile.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epik_(company)

5 hours ago by qeternity

I agree with you about Epik’s stance, although I believe they’re doing it for the wrong reasons.

Rob Monster for instance has expressed support for the KKK and claimed that the Christchurch shooting was a hoax.

I’ll defend with my life his right to say abhorrent things. But that also means I get to express myself and call him a bad dude.

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5 hours ago by lelandfe

Remember when a guy murdered 11 people in a Pittsburgh synagogue? When it was revealed the shooter had posted about it on Gab beforehand, every service powering the social network pulled the plug. Epik was who brought them back online.[0]

The hero of hate speech is not exactly a sterling reputation to have.

[0] https://www.wired.com/story/how-right-wing-social-media-site...

3 hours ago by megous

> Now their private details have a risk of being public

They are public. A simple torrent away.

2 hours ago by hdhdheh6dhs

^ we found a nazi sympathizer here folks and or a guy who had nazi things hosted on epik who is now scared to be doxxed

10 hours ago by mcintyre1994

Looks like they had access to their CDN at some point too: https://archive.is/traih

9 hours ago by tcmart14

xD I love the PS down there in the bottom.

16 hours ago by gfodor

Eventually the cloud is going to burst and everyone’s data will be public. The motive will be similar to this one, where a huge blast radius of collateral damage is accepted in the name of harming bad people. Seeing people eagerly download this data that surely includes countless amounts of personal info of non-Nazis shows this clearly.

11 hours ago by peterthehacker

> Eventually the cloud is going to burst and everyone’s data will be public

Why? This was Epik being hacked not AWS or Azure. It’s just a domain registrar. And a shady one at that. Their lack of security is not indicative of the rest of the cloud.

9 hours ago by southerntofu

Today on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28532531

Microsoft bundling a super-insecure root daemon in all their Linux VMs. They developed it, published it on Github, embedded it everywhere, but when it turned out to be a security nightmare blamed "open source supply chain".

37 minutes ago by BeFlatXIII

What would be extremely funny is if a different group of fake hactivists did a similar hack elsewhere but deliberately added junk data as a way to discredit all hactivism.

15 hours ago by heyitsguay

Fortunately, given the purported scope of the hack, it seems we'll be able to actually quantify that. How many of the websites weren't hosting violent or extremist content? If this is real, we should be able to get an exact percentage.

9 hours ago by southerntofu

I would assume given any hosting provider, that most content would not be deemed "violent" or "extremist". But of course, it depends on your interpretation.

For example, some people consider radical servers from the anarchist scene to be hosting violent/extremist material, while i personally consider governments and big corporations to be pretty violent and extremist themselves in how they ruthlessly dominate the world.

Actions and speech are not neutral. It's all a matter of (political) perspective.

8 hours ago by qeternity

Epik is not just “any” hosting provider. In fact, there’s no reason to use them unless you fall into the “unhostable” category elsewhere.

Their infra, peering and prices are way worse than pretty much everyone else.

14 hours ago by dreadlordbone

I sure hope people don't jump to conclusions re what is violent or extremist.

14 hours ago by pletsch

People jump to conclusions? On the internet? No, I don't think that likely

11 hours ago by iammisc

Twitter hosts violent and extremist contents. Now please give me jack Dorseys address, phone number, and social security card so we can exact justice /s

That there are people on this forum advocating for vigilantism is frightening. We are quickly approaching the point of lawlessness as a society.

4 hours ago by toofy

well, we do have u.s. state governments putting vigilantism into law, and making sure the victims of this vigilantism pay the legal bills of the vigilantes, so at this point, i’m not sure we can clutch our pearls over something which after all these years has become routine (i.e., leaks)

9 hours ago by rvz

There you go. Vigilantism is OK only if it doesn’t affect them. But when it does, the outrage is everywhere. To them, it seems that unauthorised access and leaking personal information even if innocents are involved is suddenly OK then?

That activity seems very extreme doesn't it over just reporting directly to the authorities.

This is best left to the authorities to deal with such issues rather than resorting to such extreme and illegal activities, no matter the cost or innocents affected.

15 hours ago by kadoban

How many just regular folks would actually pick Epik? Why?

14 hours ago by Syonyk

I intend to for future domain registration.

- Register.com is an annoying cesspool of value-add upsells and is extremely expensive in the process, with added cost to not have your personal info attached directly to your domain whois.

- GoDaddy, other than the creepy ads, has shown plenty of willingness to remove domains hosting content that they don't like, even if it's legal.

- I think Google is a registrar, but I'm not at all comfortable with how easy it might be to move my domain out of their grasp if I care to host my content somewhere else. I'm sure it's possible, I'm sure it has weird issues, and I'm certain there's zero support to talk to.

- Epik has, at least as far as I can tell, a reputation for simply hosting domain registrations, not asking questions, and ignoring just about every request for information.

Of those options, I'm fine with the last. I tend pretty hard towards the "free speech" side of the spectrum, and a registrar that will ignore anything short of a legitimate legal request from the authorities of the nation(s) they operate in is perfectly fine with me. Even if they host domains I consider distasteful, I'd rather support that than someone who will bow to public outrage and go snooping around domains looking for reasons to remove their registration (GoDaddy and Arfcom come to mind here).

There are probably other options, but those are the ones I know of, and why I'm intending to register future domains with Epik. I don't particularly care if a founder of a service is a scumbag in their personal life, as long as they reliably do what they promise to do.

14 hours ago by burkaman

Epik "ended its relationship" with The Daily Stormer because of content hosted on the site and the "entanglement" (meaning PR issues). If you're not ok with that, then I don't think Epik is what you're looking for. If you are ok with it, then you can accept service providers disassociating themselves with "distasteful" clients, it's just a matter of exactly how distasteful they have to be.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/08/965448572/meet-the-man-behind...

13 hours ago by Lammy

> Epik has, at least as far as I can tell, a reputation for simply hosting domain registrations, not asking questions, and ignoring just about every request for information.

Give https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/domains a shot.

I'm not affiliated aside from being a happy customer for over a decade. You can read their abuse-handling terms here: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/help/abuse

an hour ago by sophacles

They also have a reputation for securing your important PII behind unsalted md5 password lookups. Im not sure about the rest of their security, but if they screw up something as basic as storing passwords it does not imply good things about the rest of their infosec.

If you are concerned about getting your name off google because their systems are wierd, why wouldn't you be concerned with someone just stealing your domain from the insecure site by (e.g.) just logging in as you and initiating the transfer?

14 hours ago by jackson1442

Not sure of either of their policies, but I usually buy my domains from Dynadot then transfer the eligible ones to CloudFlare after the first year. Both are cheap, and I'm pretty sure CloudFlare tends to not divulge much information.

All my ICANN addresses are fake though so that's never been a concern for me.

15 hours ago by desine

If you truly believe in freedom of speech, it makes sense to support companies who enable those ideals. I'm not familiar enough with the company/drama/story here, but if Epik does not do anything "problematic" other than allow "problematic" speech, then I would consider them. A certain quote often mis-attributed to Voltaire comes to mind [0]. It appears they do have some lines drawn in the sand for free speech, they cancelled service for 8chan.

[0] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall

8 hours ago by jonathanstrange

I don't think anyone really supports unlimited freedom of speech other than as a strategic rhetorical lip service. It's a very unreasonable position. What people mean is that they draw the line at different places, usually while ignoring the law.

People disagree about the definitions of crimes involving publication. For example, almost everyone is against the freedom to disseminate child porn under the excuse of "free speech." Then, some people are against free dissemination of ISIS propaganda, especially when it contains concrete calls for violence. Then again, disseminating Neonazi propaganda with similar calls for violence is not more legal than ISIS propaganda in most countries. Revenge porn and sites dedicated to slander and libel are prohibited in most jurisdictions, too.

The US has lax application of laws against right-wing calls for violence but is well-known to enforce against free speech if other groups like Islamists are involved. In the past, communists and civil rights advocates were also not too welcome. Other countries apply laws more stringently. In various modern and democratic countries content hosted by Stormfront is simply illegal and various posters on their forums commit crimes. Their servers would be raided and shut down by the police if they were under the country's jurisdiction. The US was never governed or occupied by full-blown Nazis, so it is only natural that people tend to be more liberal about these matters there, but that's more of a historical coincidence than an argument.

9 hours ago by ohashi

I wouldn't support this borderline nutjob. Making employees watching a video of christchurch shooting and saying it was fake? Yeah, no. He has a lot of ties to extremist right wing too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Monster#Views

14 hours ago by MileyCyrax

I bought a domain name from a domain squatter who used Epik and there's a 60 day waiting period before I'm allowed to transfer the domain away.

Their site is one of the buggiest I've ever used (no, really), so this hack doesn't surprise me at all. Now I'm trying to remember how much personal information I would have given them.

11 hours ago by mtnGoat

A wait period is reasonably common. I’ve ran into it a well, really annoying. I think it’s a lame ploy to drum up business.

6 hours ago by ZoF

No comment on Epik but that 60 day wait is almost certainly ICANN lock because whois data was updated. They don't have a choice.

7 hours ago by oefrha

Find me a service open to the public and I’ll find you “nazi” customers by someone’s definition. Hell, people were and probably still are “boycotting” GitHub (as in, they put feel-good slogans in their profile while still using it) a while ago for having U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement as a customer. I’m sure if someone manages to completely hack GitHub, they will post everyone’s private repos and billing info, and it’s a just cause because GitHub hosts code for horrible people.

17 hours ago by ryan29

Did anyone download it and look? This is huge if it's true isn't it? I don't want to download it because I don't know what the laws are, but I'm really interested to know if it's true. Rob Monster is a really big domain investor, right?

This is really big news if it's true.

Edit: I looked it up. Rob started Epik [1]. I wonder if that's really his password. Lol.

Edit 2: I wasn't aware of Epik's reputation either. I just knew they're a big (ish) registrar.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Monster

17 hours ago by Natsu

I heard about it yesterday but only the release on Twitter, I haven't seen the torrent.

It will be interesting to see which media outlets report on it after so many adopted a policy of not reporting on hacked info.

16 hours ago by zavertnik

The torrent is on her website, a few people tweeted that they finally had seeders, but I'm unsure if they got the entire archive.

I'm currently trying to download it now, but the torrent file is so large that it's crashing most torrent software (pico, deluge, webtorrent) I throw at it, on 2 machines!

10 hours ago by NavinF

How big is it? I had similar issues downloading danbooru2020 (3.4TB), but rtorrent did the job with only ~5G RSS. Every other client used 4x the memory and never completed the download.

9 hours ago by adriancr

transmission seems fine

17 hours ago by r721

From Emma Best (DDoSecrets)'s tweets it looks like it's unavailable at the moment (6h ago):

>There don't seem to be any active seeds and just under 0.5% seems to be available ATM, so... we'll see what happens!

https://twitter.com/NatSecGeek/status/1437827363505573896

14 hours ago by commoner

It's possible that the source sharded the torrent payload and then distributed the shards among multiple "seeds" that are brought online/offline on a rolling schedule, to avoid being identified as the lone seed. Since none of the "seeds" have the entire payload, they are identified as peers (specifically, leechers) in the torrent client.

14 hours ago by nebula8804

This 30+ MB torrent file is choking ruTorrent and Deluge clients on my seedbox. Not sure how to fix it. Do you know of some alternative way to process such a large file? I have never seen such a large torrent file like this before.

16 hours ago by undefined

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13 hours ago by iszomer

I downloaded the torrent file and casually browsed the index but didn't want to waste my time, bandwidth, and storage for a 150+ GB dump.

13 hours ago by Thorrez

Lest anyone be confused, this is Epik the web hosting company[1], not Epic Games the videogame company[2], or Epic Systems the healthcare software company[3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epik_(company)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Systems

11 hours ago by LewisVerstappen

Nor is it Epic! the digital reading platform for kids[1], not EPIC the Electronic Privacy Information Center[2], or EPIC Provisions the company behind high protein meat snacks[3].

[1] https://www.getepic.com/

[2] https://epic.org/

[3] https://epicprovisions.com/

9 hours ago by chrischen

While I wasn't going to get it confused with any other Epics, I had no idea what Epik with a K was.

6 hours ago by Hackbraten

Neither is it Epyx, Inc., the venerable videogame company [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epyx

4 hours ago by atlanta90210

Epyx published Jumpman on the Commodore 64. Loved that game.

10 hours ago by trymas

> Epik was founded in 2009 by Rob Monster

The founder's name is like from The Onion article.

7 hours ago by junon

The whole site looks like it's parody information ("epic" with a K, "Rob Monster", nazi stuff, etc) but it becomes weirder when you realize they aren't parodying anything and all of it is accurate.

6 hours ago by Applejinx

Very interesting that Anonymous went after them. I guess it just goes to show you that Anonymous is nobody's puppet, however much any given cause would like to consider them its personal army.

Apparently NOT Epik's personal army: far from it.

3 hours ago by post_break

Thanks, I thought it was Epic Systems and was worried about all the healthcare data flowing.

7 hours ago by undefined

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10 hours ago by petecooper

The linked .torrent file is ~30MB, and appears to be ~180GB of data with ~190,000 files. It's split into ~689,000 pieces of ~256KB, hence the comparatively large .torrent file overall.

9 hours ago by schleck8

I'm sure this will become a running gag, someone commenting epic/epik after large leaks

4 hours ago by was_a_dev

Now that was epik

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